I found these comments on another board about this topic. I don't want to put too much energy into this because I have TONS of work to do now that the Holidays are done. I just had a few expos in December and many more to do this month that will require my attention. I feel that there are many things we just don't know about this situation. I talked to a few other Directors yesterday and they remember the same things I do. It's awesome for the sales force if there was something in the past that didn't allow us to take a leave of absence and there is now. I think they allow us to slip for awhile but ultimately we probably had to make a decision to continue or resign if it went on for any significant period of time. I still think there was a lack of communication from her to the company and that they just simply weren't aware of her issues/illnesses before some of the letters went out and car was taken away. If this was the first case in 35 years like this, you have to imagine there were illnesses within the sales force in that period of time that led to the same thing. We as Directors are well aware of car and Unit requirements. When in DIQ you have a DIQ team at Corporate and they in contact with you. In the past we had a DIQ sister at Corporate, that's what they called the person, who kept in touch with you but now you have several people. I think this gal knew what she had to do but got caught up in everything going on in her life. Yes it's good for us in the future if it means we never had a leave before but I just don't buy it that they didn't work with people who made them aware. As someone states in their comment below, I know that others have had issues and may have stepped down because it just dragged on too long but we were aware of this coming into Directorship. I never expected them to be so compassionate when I have had life issues but it was quite a wonderful surprise when they were. I am aware that they are running a business and that I am responsible for what I need to get done. That is what disability insurance is for as well, to protect you in case of the unknown. Disability insurance is a must for the self employed. At least this gal had someone to sue so she could get some cash. What about the person who is a doctor/physician of his own clinic or the person who owns a restaurant? And when that business goes down, there's no one to go back to and recover lost expenses. Everyone I know in my position is well aware of what is required per month and again as someone said below, your TEAM usually becomes stronger than ever when you get laid up. They usually come in and go gang busters for us because of the sister hood and team spirit. This obviously wasn't this Woolf's experience and that's too bad. So there's lessons learned for MK corporate because of this and as far as most of the Director's I know are concerned, they would never dream of biting the hand that has fed them and taken such good care of them. If you are not in Mary Kay, it's hard to understand that but we just admire this company so much. We all have wonderful stories of what they have done for us that wasn't even required of them. This gals situation may seem to cast a shadow on our company from an outsiders view but from the inside, we know better. Wendy P.S. The comments below are a few of what I found. I just thought I would copy them here. I don't necessarily agree with every single detail/comment but the overview is what others think about this within the sales force and I thought it would be nice to see it. As for me, I will do a little more research on this. I am just curious and since I get to go to Corporate at the end of this month, it's a good time to see if I can get anymore info.
Taken from another forum...Please don't give me your comments on what's below because I didn't write it.
Kristin McBride says:
I am simply shocked that someone selling Mary Kay, believing in putting God first, Family second and career third could possibly be so selfish as to think that she has the right to change her mind once she got sick and sue the company. I wonder if she considered the amount of money that she still made from the hospital bed charity from Mary Kay or the result of the opportunity Mary Kay afforded her? Mary Kay provides a wonderful opportunity to women at any level to do something wonderful for others. How sad that she is using her sickness as a crutch on which to acquire financial stability. I think she should remember all Mary Kay did for her during the time she was a consulatant and be happy that God gave her that chance at all.
Posted by: Kristin McBride on December 28, 2003
Some women don't get it, and our law system allows for these lawsuits to take place.
That is why we are raising a generation of children that don't take responsibility for their actions. They always blame someone for their misfortunes. If you get sick, and stop making payments on your own automobile, does GM allows you to keep it without making payments until you recover? Others are let go from their 'true jobs' for similar reasons.
We DO NOT work for Mary Kay Inc. That is why I've chosen to be an 'Independent Contractor'. To work when I want and have no one to set hours for me. She even stated that she STOPPED selling to start managing. Where is Mary Kay literature says that, that is an acceptable way of running your business? Other directors and consultants have gone through similar situations and have recovered and gone back to work. Others developed extremely strong units and their people will take over while she is unable.
Mary Kay Inc is an extremely caring and giving company. They will bend over backwards to help and support all consultants, and she knows that. There were just some things that she did not take to heart while she was part of the company, and now, she never will.
Now she has the money she wanted, and without having to work for it.
Good luck to her and her family, and may the Lord watch and keep her.
Posted by: Migdalia on September 11, 2003
How about we make another deal? Other people will post their comments, and you promise not to respond to them?
I'll leave it up to you: if you don't want to respond, you don't have to.
EliMantel
Wendy: That is one of the most non-constructive comments I think I've seen on here so far. That should go a long way in helping people make decisions about Mary Kay.
WendyTurnidge - 05 Jan 2004
Can you please clarify the point you're trying to make? Are you trying to suggest that it's more helpful for people to make decisions about Mary Kay if we don't have a discussion, or if we do have a discussion?
EliMantel
However I do notice you just pop in and out like you did in Opinion 77 and make accusations/assumptions that are incorrect about MK, like what our Director requirements are. You said in Opinion 77: "But it seems that's not how Mary Kay works it. Mary Kay sets different quotas to remain a director for different directors, depending on how they did previously. So some directors only have to maintain a $4000 a month quota, while others have to maintain a quota of $8000 a month, or they lose all their rights." If you were ever in MK Eli, you would know better. What is your background with Mary Kay? I haven't heard you say you were even involved with the company and I am assuming you are a moderator for this board or work with this website or something and no offense here at all but I think you may even be a man...am I right or wrong? Just curious. Are you one of these people that like to go in and stir the water on different forums? Are you trying to accomplish something here because as far as I can see you have no vested interest in either proving it's a good or bad company due to any experience you have with it and therefore want people to be informed, like Laura and I do. If you deal me more foolish, unconstructive comments, I am not going to waste my time commenting. I have better things to do. I am here to help others and I know I have done that so far. That is my point for being here. If Laura has helped others find comfort for what they have gone through in MK, then that's her point for being here. WT
WendyTurnidge - 06 Jan 2004
I haven't heard you say you were even involved with the company and I am assuming you are a moderator for this board or work with this website or something and no offense here at all but I think you may even be a man...am I right or wrong?
This is getting precious! I don't know about where you come from, honey, but in the San Francisco area, there's nothing that says you can't be a man and also work for Mary Kay. Oh, but I guess you weren't implying that. Sorry, my mistake.
Wendy wrote:
If you deal me more foolish, unconstructive comments, I am not going to waste my time commenting.
I'm sorry you feel these comments are foolish and unconstructive, but when you accuse me of not claiming to have been involved with Mary Kay, that doesn't make a lot of sense. When you accuse me of being a man (even though I have never claimed otherwise), that doesn't make sense either.
You are right... I am a man, and I have never been involved with Mary Kay, but there are apparently male Mary Kay beauty consultants in the San Francisco area.
Anyway, if you choose to go away, I can't make you hang around. But I'm not going to go along with you telling people not to respond to messages that you post, just because you copied them from other boards.
In case you hadn't noticed, this is a place where people can post their opinions and comments about Mary Kay, and if you post something (regardless of the source), there's a chance that people will want to respond. It's not ok to tell people that they may not respond to your post.
EliMantel - 06 Jan 2004
Wendy: You are spending alot of effort on that one sentence I wrote. My point of even saying that was because I didn't agree with the "bashing" of this woman with cancer and people saying she didn't work her MK, or was selfish or yadda, yadda, because I don't agree with that. I wanted to show other viewpoints but didn't want to get condemned for what others said if I didn't 100% agree. I found them and thought they were interesting, that's it. I think you are taking something VERY small WAY out of context. The man thing: I was only curious and it had NOTHING to do with MK. I know men who sell and are successful and there is no parallel between that and what I said above. Frankly, I was trying to see if you somehow ran this website and my husband suggested I type your name in google and up popped your resume! I saw your accolades and knew that you must have been a man to accomplish all you did in the 70's. That's why I said, "just curious". But I knew you would take that the wrong way as well as I knew when I asked no one to respond, that would most likely be taken the wrong way.
WendyTurnidge - 06 Jan 2004
If you wanted to post these messages but disclaim that you agreed with them, I think it would have been better just to say that straight out, but that's just 20/20 hindsight.
Anyway, thanks for your ongoing participation in this discussion.
EliMantel - 06 Jan 2004
I actually did say I didn't agree towards the end of my opinion. I inserted the final sentence in case someone decided not to read my "novel" :-) Here's what I wrote: "P.S. The comments below are a few of what I found. I just thought I would copy them here. I don't necessarily agree with every single detail/comment but the overview is what others think about this within the sales force and I thought it would be nice to see it." You probably missed it when you read my "novel" (post 79, which will get no comment from me). I think I should have been a writer or English Teacher at the least. When my husband and I get into an arugement, we resolve our issues by writing each other a book
:-o !!!
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